heather this is simple. ask if they should prove all thing true? they will answer yes. then tell them that's great. now you want to feel just like jesus did after he inspected the wt from 1914-1918. and choose them as his earthly mouth piece fds etc. DRAG THIS OUT. THEN TELL the elder . to bring over all the wt books from 1914 -1918. and we will study them 3x's a week . to prove jesus choose the wt in 1918. if he refuses just tell him . if he's unwilling to prove it , he's not following the bible, to prove all things true. so he's dishonest. you have to STICK TO THE POINT, YOU WILL ONLY BELIEVE JESUS CHOOSE THE WT IN 1918 , by reading EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE TEACHING AT THE TIME. that was printed from that time and nothing else. i've used this reasoning 1000's of times. and hav e never got one jw willing to study any of this old junk . it shuts them down every time. but you really have to press. ask them how they can sit and study that rev. clim ax book every week and not a single jw ever tests what in that book by going back to wt reprints fom the late 1910-1920's. i have a field day with them on this and never let them off the hook. then unload on them about all the false shit the wt was teaching in 1918. i've never lost argueing with any jw on this subject. at the same time i always gave them a chanced to come up with the old book to prove all thing true . BOTTOM LINE YOU WANT TO FEEL JUST LIKE JESUS DID FROM 1914-1918. IF YOUR JW FRIEND IS UNWILLING HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE. JOHN
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If you could ask an elder your questions
by Heather inwhat question do you want to ask or have you asked that would stump or have stumped an elder?
i'm in the position where my mom wants me to come back and wants me to have my questions answered (even though she has dodged most of mine) so that i will once again see its the truth and want to return.
so i'm going to set a meeting with an elder to see if he would be willing to attempt to answer some of my questions to prove to me beyond a doubt that i'm in the wrong.
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The Lie is the Truth: Watchtower Graverobbers pick William Miller's bones
by Terry inwhen jehovah's witness pick up the latest copy of the watchtower magazine and carry it to the households in their local neighborhood to place for contribution, this is viewed by them as witnessing in the time of the end.. jw's are told and taught they are doing an informative and life-saving work which has been consistent since the beginning of their religious movement.
further, they are led to believe absolutely that they alone have the sole truth about the second coming of jesus christ.. alone among other christian religious organizations, jehovah's witnesses point to the date 1914 as the date certain when an invisible christ jesus set up his heavenly government.. these views are taught to be accurate bible knowledge from the mouthpiece of jehovah: the "faithful and discreet" slave or elite body of christ on earth residing in brooklyn, ny.. however, an examination of the history of end times speculations and movements in america reveals something else.
the doctrines of jehovah's witnesses are not original.
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johnny cip
hey terry; you could have made you post fit on the screen, without making us scroll back and fourth to enjoy your thoughts. it's a turn off when every i have to do this . and many times will miss a good post or thread just for the fact it's a pain in the ass to read. john
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New Light Coming?
by dontomas inhi - i have jw friends (really!
) and have gone to kh for some talks and study every couple of weeks.
things like the new watchtower policy, selling buildings (i am from nyc and know the heights well - that will make a boatload of money), the sex abuse settlements, drop in membership and donations, and some of the changes i have seen in the magazine (the annointed qfr, for example).
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johnny cip
Metatron makes some good points. the wt really need to change nothing, as for the regular rank and file. they will beleive anything, i think the changes are to appease the higher ups or middle management in the wt , to keep these half way smart followers towing the line.
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Carload of jw's shunned us today...and it was priceless!!!
by winnie inwe were in a carpark and the only space available was next to a carload of witnesses.
so we parked!
in it was 3 out of the 5 local elders, and 1 of their wives.
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winnie ; nice work. the owner of the newsstand will most likely still take the mag's just to keep the customer. but now will just dump them in the garbage. after seeing how they really act . once jw's are exposed to the general public. they are finished. this newspaper man will never see the jw's the same
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"They don't even know what they believe!" -- JW
by AlmostAtheist ina jw once said (more than once, probably) in regards to members of other faiths, "they don't even know what they believe!
" i know that's a legitimate quote from a real jw because i'm the one that said it.
i often found that the people i met in field service would claim to be a catholic or a methodist or whatever, but wouldn't have a clue about the beliefs of their church.
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johnny cip
i know the jw drill well. and i never admitt to being a menber of any religion. and only say i'm a follower of christ. and know how to use the rule of if two come together in christs name he is with them. and bring the jw' right back to the question of the wt. i have so much practice cutting off dub think before they even state it. i throw a MONKEY WRENCH into everything they try to put over. after they try a few conversation stoppers. and find they are getting no where. but embarrassed they get pissed and walk away. and trust me i never forget to let them know they don't even know what they believe
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rude people at the door
by BR25 inwhy you were part of the jw faith and you were by yourself at a persons door ,who was really rude toward you, did you ever say anything nasty back instead of saying have a nice day?
also did you ever want to just knock someone out?
any experiences or thoughts of what you wanted to do?
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johnny cip
one day i'm ripping the crap out of a few of my old wt study conductors. about 1975 etc. at the bus stop. some Pentecostal bus driver pulls up gets out and joins in. I was killing them all alone . but this guy was better than me. he pulled out his bible, and had the jw's fumbling all over every verse. it was a tag team effort. this Pentecostal knew about the blood issue, and ripped them a new ass. and i just kept egging this guy on with my knowledge of the wt teachings. i have noticed if you confront jw's at busy train stations, bus stops etc. many times some christian from what ever demonation will step up and join in . and now the jw's will have a 2 front battle. which totally throws them off. as i allways tell jw's . don't stand on the corner if you can't back up what you preach. they always get mad. walk away or say they are going to call the police. john
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Watchtower Bait and Switch
by WTWizard inhow many times have you seen articles in the asleep magazines about chocolate, coffee, some exotic plant or animal, or something that smacks of entertainment?
why would these articles be in a religious publication in the first place, especially one that is in the process of totally banning all entertainment?.
for one thing, having these articles is supposed to make the religion appear to tolerate and even condone a certain level of entertainment, and even participate to a degree.
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johnny cip
WTWIZArd makes a good point. the wts tries to take all the fun out of life. and tells jw's they are having fun going to meetings, and sweating their brains out sitting at a convention in 100 degree heat . the whole idea is to get jw's to sit there and enjoy getting their brains FRIED. talk aBOUT FUN... just watch dubs for 10 minutes in the field misery. they sure don't look happy. i could go on but I hate typing. enjoy your day. john
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Notes on Child Abuse Settlement
by Amazing inthe article by silentlambs is somewhat misleading.
yes, the suits were settled with gag orders.
it is customary to do so in almost any settlement case.
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johnny cip
i know i got blasted a few days ago for saying KIM NORRIS should hav e gone all the way to trial. and i've been thinking about this, and learning, as before i posted just on emotions. I still think this costed the WTS 40-100 MILLION. MAY BE 30-70 MILLION. MOST LIKELY BETWEEN 25-60 $$$$$$$ MILLION. THESE ARE JUST gUESSES with me playing with #'s. here's the real QUESTION? have silentlambs/kim norris already filed all the cases, that they could win ie; like this one. and are finished for the most part. Or are they holding back a few dozen more cases, to hit the wt even more harder, in the next few years. if they have lots more cases ? they will start the bleed the wt dry. KIM NORRIS may be smarter than i thought. i hope this case is just a president (sp) to keep bringing the wt to it's knee's . let's see if Kim Norris has any tricks left ,or she's done all she can. Time will tell. john
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Protest "knocking" video in front of PBS television station in Boston area
by kool aid man06 ina group of people including former jehovah's witnesses will be protesting pbs television at 125 western ave. alston, ma.
for electing to broadcast the controversial video "knocking".
this slanted and one-sided video praising jehovah's witnesses is not all the viewing public should be told about the jehovah's witnesses.
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Why We Can Hope for the End of the Watchtower
by metatron inforgive me for starting a new thread - apart from the emerging news about child abuse settlements .
but i simply feel that, for all of us who have suffered persecution from the watchtower society, their.
end may now be in sight.
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johnny cip
metatron' i'm with you. i still think the wt has 100's of millions just in STOCKS. I feel even if they lose 100 million a year in court cases for the next 10 years . they will only be paying , the interest they are making . yes i see all the cut backs. the wt lawyers are even smarter than the gb. they are going to run with every$ they can get. just watch the wts will move off shore to the cayman islands etc. in the next 20 years. and the lawyers will steal most every dollar the gb ever saved. but the lawyers will save the gb's ass . while taking all the assets. i see something like this happening